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Post by Egietje on Mar 31, 2021 22:29:56 GMT
Really makes me wonder what it'd be like if Queen had the kind of archival releases some of those had. Imagine: a Queen 1970-1972 box set, all recorded (even on potatoes) live shows they did (if their roadie did indeed record them, and can be traced down), all takes done for the Queen album... It'd be amazing
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Post by Lord Fickle on Mar 31, 2021 23:22:07 GMT
Best re-issues programmes: King Crimson + Jethro Tull + XTC. Not too far from that neighbourhood has been Yes. The remixes by Steven Wilson are incredible, as are the bonus tracks. Plenty of the bonus tracks on the previous remasters were great as well.
Lots of box sets too. "Progeny" had seven uncut shows from the Close To The Edge tour, and they even put Chris Squire's bass track through his rig to make it sound as authentic as possible. Serious props for attention to detail.
Funnily enough, I've been having a brief discussion about Yes elsewhere this evening. I only really got into them with the 90125 album and have never been able to get along with the earlier stuff, including the much revered CTTE. I really like Prog, but a lot of their stuff just seemed to be self indulgent twiddling, and I've never really liked Steve Howe's guitar style or tone. I've heard some of the SW remixes, and admittedly they do sound fresh and alive, but for me, it doesn't detract from the original content. I adore 90125, Big Generator and Talk, but their 70s stuff just leaves me cold.
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Post by mevansnow on Mar 31, 2021 23:39:21 GMT
Not too far from that neighbourhood has been Yes. The remixes by Steven Wilson are incredible, as are the bonus tracks. Plenty of the bonus tracks on the previous remasters were great as well.
Lots of box sets too. "Progeny" had seven uncut shows from the Close To The Edge tour, and they even put Chris Squire's bass track through his rig to make it sound as authentic as possible. Serious props for attention to detail.
Funnily enough, I've been having a brief discussion about Yes elsewhere this evening. I only really got into them with the 90125 album and have never been able to get along with the earlier stuff, including the much revered CTTE. I really like Prog, but a lot of their stuff just seemed to be self indulgent twiddling, and I've never really liked Steve Howe's guitar style or tone. I've heard some of the SW remixes, and admittedly they do sound fresh and alive, but for me, it doesn't detract from the original content. I adore 90125, Big Generator and Talk, but their 70s stuff just leaves me cold. Drama, with Trevor Horn on vocals and Geoff Downes on keyboards is one without doubt my favourite Yes album, and ranks in my top 50 albums overall.
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Post by saintjiub on Mar 31, 2021 23:53:51 GMT
I really like Drama as well, but I think that CttE and tYA are better. 90125 is reasonably ok, but nothing compared to their 70's work (IMHO).
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 1, 2021 2:49:18 GMT
Not too far from that neighbourhood has been Yes. The remixes by Steven Wilson are incredible, as are the bonus tracks. Plenty of the bonus tracks on the previous remasters were great as well.
Lots of box sets too. "Progeny" had seven uncut shows from the Close To The Edge tour, and they even put Chris Squire's bass track through his rig to make it sound as authentic as possible. Serious props for attention to detail.
Funnily enough, I've been having a brief discussion about Yes elsewhere this evening. I only really got into them with the 90125 album and have never been able to get along with the earlier stuff, including the much revered CTTE. I really like Prog, but a lot of their stuff just seemed to be self indulgent twiddling, and I've never really liked Steve Howe's guitar style or tone. I've heard some of the SW remixes, and admittedly they do sound fresh and alive, but for me, it doesn't detract from the original content. I adore 90125, Big Generator and Talk, but their 70s stuff just leaves me cold. To each their own, of course. But Rabin era Yes is pretty well a different band (as great as 90125 and Talk are).
Fragile and Close To The Edge are generally seen as being amongst the best albums of the '70s. I'd say CTTE is one of the best pieces of art this side of Beethoven - And You And I is majestic, and the furthest thing from twiddling.
Relayer and Going For The One are incredible albums too. Turn Of The Century is one of my favourite pieces ever composed by anyone.
I also have a soft spot for The Ladder. It's kind of the best of both worlds - the arrangements and compositional prowess of their '70s work and the rhythmic and pop-oriented leanings of their '80s albums. That may ease you into some of the '70s stuff like GFTO.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 1, 2021 9:17:21 GMT
Funnily enough, I've been having a brief discussion about Yes elsewhere this evening. I only really got into them with the 90125 album and have never been able to get along with the earlier stuff, including the much revered CTTE. I really like Prog, but a lot of their stuff just seemed to be self indulgent twiddling, and I've never really liked Steve Howe's guitar style or tone. I've heard some of the SW remixes, and admittedly they do sound fresh and alive, but for me, it doesn't detract from the original content. I adore 90125, Big Generator and Talk, but their 70s stuff just leaves me cold. To each their own, of course. But Rabin era Yes is pretty well a different band (as great as 90125 and Talk are).
Fragile and Close To The Edge are generally seen as being amongst the best albums of the '70s. I'd say CTTE is one of the best pieces of art this side of Beethoven - And You And I is majestic, and the furthest thing from twiddling.
Relayer and Going For The One are incredible albums too. Turn Of The Century is one of my favourite pieces ever composed by anyone.
I also have a soft spot for The Ladder. It's kind of the best of both worlds - the arrangements and compositional prowess of their '70s work and the rhythmic and pop-oriented leanings of their '80s albums. That may ease you into some of the '70s stuff like GFTO.
There are some tracks I like. GFTO is one, Time And A Word, ISAGP, Awaken, Roundabout, and indeed And You And I, but I've tried many times, and I just can't get along with those early albums.
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Post by baronlutenvank on Apr 1, 2021 9:41:57 GMT
After the Miracle box set was quietly canceled I pretty much gave up on Queen. I have my memories and the music, but as a brand they can't – or won't – deliver what longtime fans have wanted or asked for, instead doing the barest minimum for their 50th anniversary and throwing away the more interesting projects, so I choose to walk away and give my money to artists who deserve it.
I made that same decision 16 years ago. The best thing i could do...
I still love the music, but I gave up on the Queen brand back in 2017. If we're talking about box sets, that year saw the release of 3 Deluxe Editions of albums I've loved: The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Metallica's Master of Puppets, and of course, Queen's News Of The World. The 1st two were a treasure trove full of outtakes, alternate mixes, and live performances in Metallica's case. NOTW felt like a slap to the face. Sure they had the alternate versions, but it felt like the band were saying "Here's your damned outtakes, and here' are some live performances you've already heard. Happy now?". That's where I decided which bands deserve my money.
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Post by Jake12 on Apr 1, 2021 19:41:49 GMT
Sooo are we just assuming Queen doesn’t give a shit about the 50th anniversary?? More plugs for the app game and ‘Around The World’?
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Post by baronlutenvank on Apr 1, 2021 20:14:40 GMT
Sooo are we just assuming Queen doesn’t give a shit about the 50th anniversary?? More plugs for the app game and ‘Around The World’? I've more faith in someone releasing an uncirculated concert recording here honestly.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 1, 2021 21:47:18 GMT
Sooo are we just assuming Queen doesn’t give a shit about the 50th anniversary?? More plugs for the app game and ‘Around The World’? you knew it waaaayyyy before you even posed the question.
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Post by Jakelic on Apr 2, 2021 0:03:55 GMT
Funnily enough, I've been having a brief discussion about Yes elsewhere this evening. I only really got into them with the 90125 album and have never been able to get along with the earlier stuff, including the much revered CTTE. I really like Prog, but a lot of their stuff just seemed to be self indulgent twiddling, and I've never really liked Steve Howe's guitar style or tone. I've heard some of the SW remixes, and admittedly they do sound fresh and alive, but for me, it doesn't detract from the original content. I adore 90125, Big Generator and Talk, but their 70s stuff just leaves me cold. To each their own, of course. But Rabin era Yes is pretty well a different band (as great as 90125 and Talk are). Fragile and Close To The Edge are generally seen as being amongst the best albums of the '70s. I'd say CTTE is one of the best pieces of art this side of Beethoven - And You And I is majestic, and the furthest thing from twiddling. Relayer and Going For The One are incredible albums too. Turn Of The Century is one of my favourite pieces ever composed by anyone. I also have a soft spot for The Ladder. It's kind of the best of both worlds - the arrangements and compositional prowess of their '70s work and the rhythmic and pop-oriented leanings of their '80s albums. That may ease you into some of the '70s stuff like GFTO.
You very much summed up my view of Yes, CTTE and GFTO being my favourites, also completely in love with Turn of the century and being soft for Ladder - i recently finally got a vinyl copy! I also very much love Tormato. Drama was a great album but the poor guy was never accepted as a Jon replacement and even got bombarded with tomatos and bottles while performing (so I’ve heard). Awaken is also my top favourite song, Anderson himself said he was most proud of that one and wished to every band to have a song that they are satisfied and proud with as he is with Awaken. He did a fantastic live version in 2013 with Todmobile. Dreamtime from Magnification is a fantastic piece of art too.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 2, 2021 0:25:26 GMT
Sooo are we just assuming Queen doesn’t give a shit about the 50th anniversary?? More plugs for the app game and ‘Around The World’? No need to assume - they've openly stated they don't give a shit about it.
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Post by Mack Mantilla on Apr 2, 2021 0:37:25 GMT
Sooo are we just assuming Queen doesn’t give a shit about the 50th anniversary?? More plugs for the app game and ‘Around The World’? No need to assume - they've openly stated they don't give a shit about it.
sad but true Hopefully we have this wonderful forum
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 2, 2021 6:01:26 GMT
I know some folk expected stuff this year, but I never did. I always felt it was 2020 or never. the 50-YT clips thing starting a couple of weeks ago, makes little sense. i think this was nothing more than a marketing exercise for reminding the casual fan that there's plenty of compilations LPs (other than GH I) still to be bought...and (if anything) - they've put this out as an afterthought - it's nothing more than a reminder that they still exists after all those 2020 Gigs were cancelled due to Covid.
This year was NEVER the 50th anniversary. let's accept some facts. It's not about when the FOUR first performed together - much as folk want it to be.
I remember disagreeing with someone on QZ about when the 50th would actually be. I've always felt that year zero was June 1970 - the first gig as Queen. I know others have felt that the classic line-up first gig is the start date, but it's not the case. Lots of bands' classic line-ups are were Mk II or III, but history will always dictate that a band came into existence the first time it used the name by which it's known.
Queen’s first gig was on June 27 1970, in your home town of Truro. What do you remember about it? "My mother put on the gig. It was for the Red Cross. People did not know what to make of the not-quite-fully-formed Freddie, who was fairly outrageous."
Bottom Line: Covid didn't put an end to any grand plans - there were none. It's all there in the interview. And, the fact that they didn't make a fuss, should mean we do the same. There's nothing for the non-casual fans in anything they do, so we should ignore them in return.
Their 50th has long gone, we're 86 days from their 51st Anniversary. I kind of feel that this thread needs locking or the discussion needs to develop/evolve - 13 pages of discussing the unlikelihood of hypothetical non-releases and events. Pah!
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Post by pimderks on Apr 2, 2021 6:19:49 GMT
Best re-issues programmes: King Crimson + Jethro Tull + XTC. Not too far from that neighbourhood has been Yes. The remixes by Steven Wilson are incredible, as are the bonus tracks. Plenty of the bonus tracks on the previous round of remasters up to Drama were great as well.
You're right. I'm ashamed to say I have the Yes CD/BluRay sets and completely forgot to add them to the list. Everything Steven Wilson is involved with seems to be done right. His own deluxe editions, his remix-work (Tears for Fears anyone?). Amazing stuff. Just imagine what he could do if given the power to deal with catalogues by artists such as Kate Bush or ABBA. I never heard him talking about Queen though.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Apr 2, 2021 8:16:38 GMT
Their 50th has long gone, we're 86 days from their 51st Anniversary. I kind of feel that this thread needs locking to end the misery - 13 pages of discussing the unlikelihood of hypothetical non-releases and events. Pah! Maybe we reopen it if they do anything meriting discussion? This. Screw the masochism from expecting anything great at all. My most optimistic outcome for the year: - Brian revisits "Back to the Light" - Roger revisits "Fun in Space" and/or releases a new album. - A minor new Queen release and/or GH compilation. The first two, we already know about. The second one is wishful thinking. Fuck that at this point.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 2, 2021 10:34:51 GMT
Their 50th has long gone, we're 86 days from their 51st Anniversary. I kind of feel that this thread needs locking to end the misery - 13 pages of discussing the unlikelihood of hypothetical non-releases and events. Pah! Maybe we reopen it if they do anything meriting discussion? I guess if they can't be bothered to do anything, then why should we be bothered talking about them not doing anything? They clearly couldn't find a good reason to reissue everything again, without putting a modicum of effort into it, otherwise they would have done so. The Miracle box set clearly isn't going to happen, and to be honest, it was a mediocre album anyway, and adding a handful of shoddy demos wouldn't have made it much better. Hell, we didn't even know that we were going to get it at all, as everything surrounding it has been speculation and rumour. Maybe, just maybe, they will do something for the 50th anniversary of the first album in 2023, but I wouldn't suggest anybody held their breath.
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Post by badboybez on Apr 2, 2021 11:09:40 GMT
Seeing that the Anniversary thread got locked are we allowed to discuss the 50 part Youtube series?
Part 3 now out...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 2, 2021 11:26:43 GMT
Seeing that the Anniversary thread got locked are we allowed to discuss the 50 part Youtube series?
Part 3 now out...
Yes, because it's an ongoing thing to discuss, although, again, the discussion seems to be predominantly negative so far.
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Post by Frank on Apr 2, 2021 11:44:44 GMT
Looked like there was a brief moment where we saw the band recording Killer Queen in the video. I feel like I've seen it before though...maybe it was the Days Of Our Lives documentary? I suppose it was cool to see footage of Eric Hall, but it was a bit underwhelming. I'd rather they treat us to more behind the scenes of the band. But as we know, this will suffice for your newer fans who don't know everything by now. So frustrating, isn't it.
On the bright side, Simon did say during the last Queen Pod episode that you could expect a 'surprise' in the fourth episode. It's anybody's guess though, and I'm definitely not going to hold my breath.
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Post by badboybez on Apr 2, 2021 11:56:40 GMT
Cheers Lord Fickle.
EPISODE 3: Yes noticed the working in studio footage - very vaguely familiar but could be mistaken.
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Post by dave76 on Apr 2, 2021 12:22:52 GMT
I have seen that footage of the band recording Killer Queen before. I believe it was 2 years ago on a swedish program.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Apr 2, 2021 12:46:47 GMT
On the bright side, Simon did say during the last Queen Pod episode that you could expect a 'surprise' in the fourth episode. It's anybody's guess though, and I'm definitely not going to hold my breath. What are the odds it's three seconds of never-before-seen footage of the back of Freddie's head, taken from unused raw footage from either Hammersmith '75 or Montreal '81?
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Post by Frank on Apr 2, 2021 12:53:33 GMT
On the bright side, Simon did say during the last Queen Pod episode that you could expect a 'surprise' in the fourth episode. It's anybody's guess though, and I'm definitely not going to hold my breath. What are the odds it's three seconds of never-before-seen footage of the back of Freddie's head, taken from unused raw footage from either Hammersmith '75 or Montreal '81? Pretty significant.
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Post by Ri on Apr 2, 2021 13:41:55 GMT
On the bright side, Simon did say during the last Queen Pod episode that you could expect a 'surprise' in the fourth episode. It's anybody's guess though, and I'm definitely not going to hold my breath. According to the official website:
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Post by Frank on Apr 2, 2021 13:51:46 GMT
On the bright side, Simon did say during the last Queen Pod episode that you could expect a 'surprise' in the fourth episode. It's anybody's guess though, and I'm definitely not going to hold my breath. According to the official website: Still trying not to get my hopes up too high. And also, I wish they'd put all this unseen/unheard stuff in some kind of release. Not drip feed it to us like this. The only perk is we don't have to pay, but still.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 2, 2021 14:15:07 GMT
Next week: "Early Tours" including a surprising story from a press conference in Finland. pre-vegan Brian extolling the virtues of chocolate or was it Brian: I like Sparks - very original, very fresh.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 2, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
According to the official website: Still trying not to get my hopes up too high. And also, I wish they'd put all this unseen/unheard stuff in some kind of release. Not drip feed it to us like this. The only perk is we don't have to pay, but still. I'm absolutely convinced that it will appear in some kind of release that we will have to pay for, just like all the YouTube videos for Live Around The World.
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Post by 85guild on Apr 2, 2021 23:30:53 GMT
The Roger/Brian interview was fascinating. Both of them against the idea of celebrating or marking their past, yet Brian says "let’s celebrate being fifty years old. Then we thought that we’d rather just celebrate being here, being alive and being able to play. Roger and I are first-class curmudgeons now. If something comes up, we go: “Do we really want to spend our time doing that? How much time do we have left, and what do we really want to be doing for this part of our lives that is worthwhile?” And the answer that always comes back is playing music." Seems weird they're content playing music that some of it is nearly 50 years old, the bulk of their set is 40 years and old and nothing is newer than 30 years old. Such a great catalogue to mine, their call but a shame to put out the tat they have since '91.
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Post by donovan on Apr 3, 2021 1:37:54 GMT
The Roger/Brian interview was fascinating. Both of them against the idea of celebrating or marking their past, yet Brian says "let’s celebrate being fifty years old. Then we thought that we’d rather just celebrate being here, being alive and being able to play. Roger and I are first-class curmudgeons now. If something comes up, we go: “Do we really want to spend our time doing that? How much time do we have left, and what do we really want to be doing for this part of our lives that is worthwhile?” And the answer that always comes back is playing music." Seems weird they're content playing music that some of it is nearly 50 years old, the bulk of their set is 40 years and old and nothing is newer than 30 years old. Such a great catalogue to mine, their call but a shame to put out the tat they have since '91. I respected that quote. I know i'm going against the grain here, but Brian and Roger have earned every right to do whatever the hell they want in my books. We give John Deacon metric tonnes of respect for being his own man and living his life, i'm not sure why that can't extend to the other two surviving members. Their estates can compile a Queen box set just fine.
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